Winx Club Double Standards
Posted On September 16, 2019
The last two episodes of Winx season eight made me angry. If Riven and Icy deserve redemption, why doesn’t Nex? Why won’t the Winx fandom give him another chance, especially if they’ll forgive a criminal who manipulated, backstabbed, and even killed people to gain power?
Nex gets called a horrible person, but an actual psychopath gets sympathy and respect. They gave Riven infinite chances to change, but they condemned Nex right away, even though they claim he’s like Riven. How is that fair?
Winx season eight confirmed the double standard used against Nex. He deserves to be accepted as Aisha’s boyfriend, especially since he’s proven he loves her with all his heart. They’re the most underappreciated couple in Winx Club, period.
I agree that this is all stupid. However, I can’t comment on specifically what you’re referencing because I haven’t seen the back half of S8. Is there any one page where you’re watching it? And does it have English subs? (Sorry for getting kind of off topic.)
You can watch the entire Season in
Italian here: https://www.raiplay.it/programmi/winxclub/episodi/stagioneviii.
The link for the English Episodes are here: https://www.dailymotion.com/search/Winx%20Club%20Season%208
But those Episodes only last till Epispde 17, i guess. The rest is Italian.
rainbow will probably forget the plot point they brought up in these 2 episodes by season 9
If Icy’s sister would turn back to normal girl, wouldn’t she try to convince Icy to stop the evil? If not, wouldn’t this redemption arc useless, if Icy doesn’t learn anything from it.
yeah she probably would try to pull icy back from burning her last bridge
I’m just watching the episodes on RAIPlay. I don’t think anyone has subbed them yet, but I’m not sure. Basically, Musa and Riven get back together (that’s not really a spoiler; it’s obvious Rainbow was setting that up), and Icy gets a sympathetic backstory related to the secret Rainbow teased.
The way Musa and Riven got back together was very vague ? Musa was very angry at Riven for the embarrasing light show. And than the day later, she’s in his arms again! What happenend? The minute before they had a fight, and the second later they are so close again. And now they get a whole episode dedicated to their “harmony” ? And they obtain the prime star, because they were the perfect balance? A Season ago they were the most toxic couple ?
i’ll be honest i didn’t like that cause they broke up for a reason and now they are back together ugh 🙁 but now we have the obvious question of what happened to icy’s world to leave it like what we saw
That’s right. I’ve never understood the Trix being descendant of the Ancestral Witches.
The Magic Bloom-theory i once wrote about is much more interesting, and kinda cool,
and makes more sense. It explains why they were so powerful in Season 1
even for being freshmans. And in the Magic Bloom 20 seconds pilot
video, there’s a scéne of the Ancestral Witches around a glowing magical globe
wearing black robes (the same as in Season 1, Episode 1 when Knut talks to them).
It’s assumed that’s when they turn themselfs into the Trix,
because in the 2004 Winx Club Panini Sticker Book
we see the Trix with the same black robes, but with the hoodie off this time,
revealing their new young selfs. Even on the back of the Dutch Season 1 DVD box,
the description of Episode 18: ”The three witches are attacking Bloom again.
During the fight, they reveal that they are actually the old witches, who
destroyed Domino centuries ago”. That’s not what actually happened in the original Episode, but may have been another clue the Trix actually were supposed to be the Ancestral Witches.
I think it’s more of a reincarnation thing, instead of them giving birth. I assume the ancestresses destroyed Domino and died in process, but their dark magic got reincarnated to 3 random witch babies born on the same day. Then the dark witches pulled some strings to get them all together. The trix are around the same age as Winx, considering they were in the school at the same time (but now that Winx are still students despite graduating in S3 it doesn’t really tell much about their age).
But we saw in the first movie that their spirits were still in Obsidian, so how could they have been reincarnated?
I don’t think the trix are biological sisters. Here’s my theory:
They all are reborn/reincarnated ancestral witches, as seen in 2nd movie (?). The fact that they’re born on the same day is due to the fact that they’re reborn old witches.
From what we saw in series, fairy/witch has the powers of their home world. Tecna has the power of technology where her planet relies heavily on AI. Flora has nature powers because she lives in a giant forest, and there was this other fairy from her world (I don’t remember if she’s Flora’s little sister or not) who also had nature powers. Trix have different and unrelated powers. Most likely they all have nobody else, so they call each other as sisters, because they’re that close. I haven’t seen Icy’s backstory, but I think all Trix experienced something similar, so they went crazy and feel like nobody else understands them, except each other.
Sirenix-Winx once wrote a post on her blog that suggested the same thing. In fact, there are hints of it in season one, such as Darcy (or Stormy — can’t remember) saying that once they get the Dragon Flame, they’ll be as they once were — i.e., their true forms, the Ancestresses. It would also make more sense as far as why they wanted the Dragon Flame and why they knew about it in the first place (since they’re the ones who destroyed Domino).
But Rainbow may have scrapped that idea mid-production. Instead, they’re probably descendants of the Ancestresses. How that’s possible is anyone’s guess, though. Wasn’t Domino destroyed less than 20 years before the events of season one (if we go off the Valtor timeline in season three)? Are the Trix direct descendants, or did they just inherit their powers? If they’re direct descendants, when and how did the Ancestresses give birth to them?
It’s sad that the more you dig into Winx Club’s story, the more plot holes you find not just in the later seasons, but in the early seasons, too. ?
i have to wonder how big a plot hole this creates and how many from this season that sirenix-winx could top 5 or 10 blog post about
Iginio Straffi even confirmed it several years ago by saying they are triplets, because they are both born on May 3th.
Well, they just threw that out the window!
Rainbow are contradicting themselves a lot lately
whatever happened must have been somekind of huge catastrophe that left only 2 survivors Icy and the white fox and now i wonder if the reason she calls darcy and stormy her sisters cause she sees them as the only family she has after her real one was lost
Again, that would make sense, but why do Darcy and Stormy call each other “sister”? Whether or not they’re biological sisters has been a mystery in this series forever. Icy’s backstory now confirms that they’re not, but in the past, Rainbow has stated that they are. ?
Yeah, there was definitely a step missing between episodes 10 and 13. Then they didn’t do anything together for several episodes (which focused on Bloom and Sky), and now suddenly everything’s okay and they’re back together. It doesn’t make sense.
Honestly, everything between Musa and Riven has been awkward this season. It’s obvious that Rainbow forced them back together just because the fans wanted it. The biggest proof is how the other Winx and Specialists were literally begging Musa at times to take him back. Last season, they would have known better and accepted her feelings. This season, they were just speaking on behalf of the Riven fans.
And why didn’t she use to restore her world? I remember her using it to conquer the Magic Dimension. And destroy Magix. She wanted to do the same thing as the Ancestral Witches. Destroy everything in her path.
Exactly. It’s too late to say she had a noble but misguided reason for stealing the Dragon Flame. We know what her motivation was: power. Plain and simple.
yeah its too late now so they should have established this in season 1
I still think you’re right, but that’s only if Icy was supposed to be a sympathetic villain. I think it’s weird that all of a sudden, in season eight, now we’re supposed to believe she’s just a broken-hearted girl. She hasn’t shown any signs of that until now. And don’t think this is enough to balance out all the horrible things she’s done.
Have you ever considered they might have all been in a situation during an attack where they got amnesia during that conquest of Dyamond and though Magical Adventure is a hated movie it gives us deep insight into one of Icy’s flaws is the fact that she can lie. During the final face off she tells the Ancestral witches she did all the evil things by herself when Darcy was the one stealing the compass from Alfea Academy I think they’re trying to pysch us out just like Disney does sometimes it keeps suspense around. Point blank in order to remember something from a deeply hidden past you need some object, creature or symbol to retrigger your memories after strong amnesia influence. In this cast seeing the fox on her home planet makes perfect sense.
great post and i guess your theory on icy being a princess was right and season 8 shows icy’s reason for stealing the dragonflame in a new light now she probably intended to use bloom’s dragonflame to restore her world and the dragonflame is probably powerful enough to do it
That’s a good theory, but why now? Icy successfully stole the Dragon Flame in season one. If her motivation all along was to save her planet, that should have been established back then. Seven seasons later is too little, too late.
You do not have to apologize, because i understand you 100%.
I also thought: Why after 8 Seasons we finally get a backstory?
Couldn’t this been done wayyy before? It feels little bit weird,
after all what Icy has done, why the emotion?
I feel little sorry for her, thought. I wonder if this is even a redemption arc,
and redemption arc means the character becomes good again?
But so far i haven’t seen any build up to Icy wanting to become good,
but we’ll find out tomorrow. In my opinion, i think Nex hasn’t had a redemption arc,
not because Rainbow think he doesn’t deserve one, he just
didn’t do much bad to have one. Rainbow knows what he did
is a faux pass, but maybe it isn’t big enough or something.
I do not know, maybe i am wrong.
That’s one of my other problems with this: eight seasons in is too late to try to redeem a major villain like her. Don’t forget that Icy has been a villain in seven out of those eight seasons. She’s never shown remorse for her actions, and she’s never hinted at a traumatic experience that damaged her. We’ve been led to believe until now that she’s evil because she’s evil. Period.
Now all of a sudden, she’s just sad and broken? That’s supposed to excuse all the horrible things she’s done for the last seven years? Gimme a break.
Still, I don’t think Rainbow will go so far as to make Icy good. The best thing would be if she gave into hatred and darkness completely, so we understand that she can’t be saved.
As for Nex, I agree with you. I’ve mentioned before that the fandom’s idea of him is different from Rainbow’s intentions. Rainbow has always meant for him to be a nice guy with a few flaws, but nothing worth condemning him for. They’ve probably think the small redemptive moments he’s already had (saving Roy twice, beating Icy, saving Daphne, helping Aisha save Gorgol, etc.) were enough to balance out his character. (There’s something else important, but I might save it for a post.)
The fandom, however, thinks Nex is an absolute monster. They think he tried to kill Roy, he’s a womanizer and a misogynist, he’s dating Aisha so he can become king, he’s secretly a villain — the list goes on. For those fans, Nex would need a redemption arc to change their minds about him.
I don’t know what the best solution is. If Rainbow went along with the fandom’s caricature of Nex, he would seem more like Riven. But if they don’t give Nex a more significant redemptive moment, the fandom will never change their minds about him.
But i am not kidding, the Icy story arc left me in so many tears.
I really think it’s so beautifully writtin. Rainbow really put so much thought into it (and in the overall Season too).
I think I’d be able to enjoy it more if these double standards weren’t in play. I’m sorry, but that’s how I feel. It’s not right that a character who’s done so many wicked things can be redeemed in two episodes, but three seasons haven’t been enough to redeem Nex, who hasn’t done anything as terrible as what Icy has done.
i wonder what it will take to end these double standards if they ever do end
I don’t know if they ever will. ?
Aisha and nex deserve better treatment
Yes, they do. ?
i’m wondering who the person is that according to icy’s backstory was responsible for dyamond’s destruction and why hasn’t she shown up again
when i look at what she did
i see it as mass murder and attempted planetary genocide
Has anyone pointed out yet that Dyamond is the last name of an ice skater in the Winx comics?
form comic number 56 magix on ice if i remember rightly
Right. The title “Dyamond on Ice” might have been a nod to it.