Aisha is Really Different in Fate: The Winx Saga
Yep, I’m talking about Fate: The Winx Saga, Netflix’s live-action remake of Winx Club. I’d like to pretend it doesn’t exist, but it does — or at least it will in two months. The more I read about it, the less interested I am.
My latest source of disappointment was the summary of the tie-in book The Fairies’ Path on Amazon.it. It’s the most detailed plot description I’ve seen so far, and…sigh. Well, see for yourself:
At the Alfea International School, students come from all over the Otherworld to train. To learn magic. To discover how to control their powers. Inside the school’s castle, five students-complete strangers-are assigned as roommates….These five teenagers want what every teenager wants…to figure out who they are. To make friends. To fit in at their new school. But when an ancient, long-vanquished evil suddenly resurfaces outside the castle walls, these five teenagers [will] be forced to put their powers to the test. And they’ll discover a secret so powerful, it will challenge everything they know about the Otherworld…and themselves.
Wow. Did someone download a YA Magic School Book Synopsis template from Microsoft Office? I left out the blurbs about the Winx. If the first line didn’t mention Alfea, would you even know this is a Winx Club adaptation?
I know that story-wise, Winx Club isn’t that original. It’s Harry Potter meets Sailor Moon. But it differentiated itself with fairy heroines, a memorable art style, catchy music, science-fantasy elements (like a Fairy of Technology), and other stuff that won’t be in Fate: The Winx Saga or will be unrecognizable. This series turns Winx Club into a generic supernatural teen drama.
But I digress. Let’s talk about Aisha’s new character in this impending train wreck.
Aisha in Fate: The Winx Saga
Here’s her blurb from the book summary:
Aisha is an athlete and a classic overachiever whose control over water is the envy of her fellow students.
Oh, boy. Where do I begin? ?
First of all, why is it that in both Netflix-commissioned Winx Club series, Aisha has been nothing but an athlete? When did her love of sports become her entire character? I can picture Fate‘s writers in the room with Rainbow:
FATE WRITERS: So, tell us about Aisha.
RAINBOW: Well, she’s the Fairy of Fluids and the princess of Andros, a realm that’s 90 percent ocean. Her parents are strict and overprotective, so they controlled her life all throughout her childhood. They didn’t let her go outside and run around and play like a normal girl. She also didn’t have any friends except a girl named Anne, who moved away, leaving her terrified of losing people and being all alone.
FATE WRITERS: And?
RAINBOW: And…she plays sports…
FATE WRITERS: Oh, she’s an athlete! We can work with that!
“Well, at least she’s still a princess, right?”
Nope. She’s not. How do I know? Because the summary makes a big deal out of Stella being a princess:
Stella is a princess — yes, a real princess…
If Aisha was a princess, too, her blurb would have said so. I guess Fate‘s writers thought three princesses were too many. There’s no way Bloom’s not royalty since this is a reimagining of her story, so the only Winx who lost her tiara was Aisha.
What a shame. Being a princess is a huge part of her character in Winx Club. Sure, you can do a “no freedom” plot without it — if the writers are still going that route with her story — but remember my post about her lack of a character goal? I talked about how she’s a foil to Bloom. Bloom grew up as a normal girl and dreamed of a fantasy life, but Aisha grew up as a fairy princess and dreamed of being a normal girl.
But she can’t be a princess and an athlete! That’s too many layers! It’s not like someone can have a job, hobbies, unachieved dreams, minor interests, and secret talents. No way! We’re each one thing and one thing only! ?
The Overachiever?
Oh, so Tecna is in Fate: The Winx Saga! Aisha absorbed her!
C’mon, doesn’t “overachiever” sound like a better label for Tecna than Aisha? I can imagine Tecna cloistering herself in her room, pulling all-nighters, and ignoring her physical and emotional deterioration to maintain her grades and her brainiac image — almost like a robot. Sounds like a great plot for her.
She’s also organized, precise, and thorough, as overachievers tend to be. I know these two scenes from Winx season eight aren’t the best examples, but humor me. If you knew nothing about Winx Club, and you saw these two screenshots, which girl would strike you as an overachiever?
I know, I know. It’s just packing luggage. But look at Tecna. She went full Marie Kondo, and the Winx didn’t even end up taking the bags with them to Lumenia!
Aisha didn’t care, which matches her personality. She runs on intuition, so she wouldn’t stress over little things like grades. All she’d do is do the best she could.
Maybe a better comparison is in “Between the Earth and the Sea” (Winx season 8, episode 23). The two Winx were partners on a potions assignment. Tecna wanted to follow the recipe flawlessly, but Aisha wanted to guesstimate everything so they could beat the clock. They ended up failing the test because not surprisingly, she poured too much of an ingredient in.
Was she upset about it? Yes, but not devastated. Tecna was more disappointed than she was. “Everyone knows that measuring ingredients has to be perfect!”
Ooh, I had a thought. What if in order to control water better, Fate: The Winx Saga Aisha has to learn to go with the flow? That’s not a bad character growth idea. I don’t know if I’m giving these writers too much credit, though.
But even if they choose that plot, that would mean she’d have to become like Winx Club Aisha. That’s awkward. 😕
Final Thoughts
So to recap, Aisha is still a water fairy in Fate: The Winx Saga. But she’s not a princess — she’s a stereotypical athlete who’s obsessed with her grades and performance.
Early rumors that WinxClubRUS dug up about the characters mentioned a girl named Jade, an athletic Earth fairy with water powers. That’s right. They demoted Aisha from the princess of a kingdom of mermaids to a plain-old Earth fairy. I guess that means Andros doesn’t exist — unless she’s from Andros in the Bahamas or something.
Anyway, according to “Jade’s” backstory, she discovered her powers when she failed a math test and flooded her school — with her tears, I assume. What if this was another Flora/Terra case where Fate’s version of Aisha was so different from her Winx Club counterpart, they made her a separate character? But when the fandom complained about half the Winx being written out of the club, the writers said, “Fine. Jade is Aisha. Happy now?”
I’m not. She’s Aisha in name only, just like Fate: The Winx Saga is Winx in name only. If they were gonna dramatically change the characters and the world, why not make an original show?
Well, whatever happens in this darker and edgier parody, I’m not gonna treat it as canon. I don’t need an adult version of Winx Club. You know how old I was when Winx Club premiered? 15. And when I started the old Winx blog, I was 20.
The cartoon is good enough for me. Yes, it’s changed a lot, but it was always comfort food for me, and it still is. But this version is trying to appeal to older fans without knowing why we like Winx Club in the first place. Studios make this mistake all the time. (Look at the awful Disney live-action remakes.)
I predict that Fate: The Winx Saga will be canceled after two seasons because of low viewership. Could I be wrong? Of course, but if the show is really this cliché and strays so far from the original, more than two seasons will be overstaying its welcome.
To be honest, I am not exactly surprised anymore that they changed Aisha’s character from a princess with a wild heart to just being an overachieving athlete. I mean, you did see how they changed FLORA to TERRA and left out TECNA. I know that this sounds like one of those WinX fans. But, it really isn’t the WinX as we know without both of these two. As much as I am trying to be more open to changes, this is so not boding well with me.
Why not just let Aisha be with the flow gal? That way, her caharcter development would involve her knowing the importance of planning things out and following instructions precisely.
Yeah, it’s just awkward. Flora and Tecna are two of the original five Winx. This is an adaptation of Winx season one, but two of the main characters introduced in season one aren’t in it?
I don’t think we’re getting Tecna at all. In fact, I read somewhere that the new character Beatrix, who everyone naturally thought was based on the Trix, is actually based on Tecna. It was in an interview with a cast member, but I haven’t been able to find it again. I know she’s one of the least popular Winx, but she deserves to be in the story. I don’t like it.
And yeah, I agree. A story where Aisha learns to be more organized and precise would fit her better. Instead, the writers presumably did the opposite. We don’t know for sure, though. Maybe they didn’t even think that deeply about it and just said, “She’s an athlete, so let’s have her do athlete stuff.“
Yup, you read my mind. Tecna may be the least popular of the girls. But, seriously, WinX isn’t just WinX without her. I don’t think the creators watched epsiode 14 of Season 3. WinX nearly got disbanded after Tecna was presumed to be “dead”. I am not sure if Rainbow did that intentionally because of Tecna’s lack of popularity. But, I think that was meant to show that whether she’s popular or not, she’s still a WinX. And without any one of them, the group just isn’t the WinX club.
I like Tecna. She’s actually the Winx I’m most similar to. No, I’m not a technogenius like her, of course, but I am an IT professional. I’m also an introvert like her, and I tend to over-analyze things like she does. ?
Software development 🙂
Me too! ? I do a little web design occasionally, but my main job is software development.
I’m also a fellow Tecna fan, and I’m also working in the IT business too 🙂
Awesome! ? What do you do?
Tecna’s my second favourite WinX. Though I am not exactly like her.. The only few things that I am similar to her is that on things that required following instructions precisely, I am like her. I also do play video games occasionally. I also tend to do things by the book on things that I am not very sure of.
In terms of personality, I am more Flora (She’s my favourite WinX). Sweet, motherly, elegant, gentle, sensitive and caring. I am also slightly a hopeless romantic and do daydream sometimes. Though the only thing I am not like Flora is that I am not much a nature person. I am also a little like Stella, who likes be creative in appearances. I alsso share Stella’s interest in fashion, makeup and beauty. And like Stella, I am also known to have a big appetite. Stella’s my third favourite.
Offtpic (or not, because it’s about Fate), but I don’t even know why people from my region are so hyped for WoW (YES, they are). I’m not, I never liked any adaptations with liveactions, because of course liveaction writers don’t UNDERSTAND why people liked the original in first place (sorry I know I’m saying the same which was stated here, but I can’t help that I noticed that several times). Also, looking for actors looking like the cartoon characters is really hard or impossible (which the Winx fandom will NEVER understand. Seriously, after Elliott incident I’m even more glad I left it), and what happens them? People won’t connect with liveaction versions! THAT’S why I think liveactions of any animated shows have no sense.
And I’m flabbergasted when I hear that “Fate will be great because it’s for adults” WHAT? How did people forget that Winx WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR CHILDREN, not us?
About Aisha, I don’t even know how much I’m dissapointed that they did a misconception that “she likes sports? LET’S MAKE HER A JUST AN ATHLETE!” like, passion becoming the whole personality? Just because someone loves something doesn’t discard that person’s other thoughts: dreams, other passions, etc. MAIN PASSION ISN’T OBSESSION NEITHER PERSONALITY, Fate writers.
I use this C.S. Lewis quote a lot, but it seems very relevant here. Replace “critics” with “viewers” or “fans” — whichever works best:
If people think this show will be good just because it’s aimed at adults, they’re too obsessed with seeming grown up. But whether or not you like “childish” shows has nothing to do with how mature you are. The funny thing is when these fans get to be their parents’ ages, they’ll pine for those “childish” shows — those simpler, sweeter things from their childhoods. They may also see things they thought were adult as “childish”.
Fate just isn’t all that exciting to me. WoW on the other hand was just an attempt to have the original age range back (but again the more wilder fans had to ruin it) and i just don’t think animation to live action is a good translation in general. Easier to translate the other way. They’re even planning a live action Carmen Sandiego (i don’t see Carmen’s stunts working at all in live action) this one needs to stay animated (btw, season 3 is getting closer to her joining ACME, Chase is starting to resemble his game counterpart after Julia left since Chief Fraser still doesn’t think either Chase or Julia are right about Carmen, but chase actually shows his denseness to be an act after a one on one with Carmen.) and they should just follow the story accordingly. Afterall the 2019 Carmen Sandiego is a prequel that draws on her history all the way back to that old discarded super spy origin (they didn’t introduce the ACME Agent backstory until 1994)
(Wait what? Carmen Sandiego IS HAVING ITS LIVEACTION TOO?! ??)
Back to Winx, this quote about critics and adult content is perfect and fits the fans I mentioned, but what also bothers me (and probably caused Fate to exist) is the (UNFORTUNATELY) popularized misconceptions “Winx was mature”, even despite WINX WAS NOT MATURE and it WAS ALWAYS MADE FOR KIDS. Exactly, for CHILDREN. And the mature tone in some moments was probably unintentional.
Rainbow never planned Winx as “mature” and had NO idea that some years later, adult fans will consider it mature (and even bash some people JUST for liking Nickelodeon era seasons! Seriously, how did we get this far?! ? First people from the fandom do disgusting things like that which causes people stopping loving the show itself [I’m one of those who lost love for Winx because of it, despite knowing Winx since 2006/7 I’ll admit], BUT later cry about the Winx fandom getting smaller? )
Will saying that “wilder fans had to ruin it” (WoW) is actually right. Even despite WoW had badly written storyline, ruined Aisha and stupid thing at the end (Tinkerbell and MATT?!), people praised it and even claimed as “this is how should be like” which is untrue. What is ALSO untrue is that Aisha from WoW was like in earlier seasons. Winx Club’s Aisha would NEVER push Matt and get aggresive at ANY given time. There IS a difference between a strong female character AND a caricature with crazy moods and dangerous-like temper issues AKA “Yang Aisha”. Original Winx’s “yin” Aisha WAS NEVER LIKE THAT. She cried (especially in her Charmix episode), and instead of going with fists like Yang Aisha, she just walked/ran away (SEVERAL times), just look at season 2 episode when Stella accidentally said “us 5” instead of us 6. Funny how “hardcore fans” spread these misconceptions when the older season said otherwise.
I’m sorry but I’ll be brutally honest here: I NEVER needed Enchantix, and even Roxy’s.
Also I think I’m starting to HATE World of Winx after recapping everything, I’m sorry I DON’T LIKE/APPROVE this way. And poor Aisha.
By the way, my conclusion is that it’s best to stop wanting Rainbow to “make Winx mature” and let Winx BE Winx. I don’t even care about Nickelodeon Era seasons being childish, because sooner or later this was about to happen, AND WINX WAS FOR CHILDREN. And the miscoception “Winx was mature!!111” infuriates me to this day, EVEN despite the fandom and those returns made me stop watching Winx. (Seriously, I haven’t touched Winx since august 2019, but enough about me)
I understand that people somehow forgot that Winx is for kids, but I have a feeling that World Of Winx exists ONLY because of people rioting for “mature and dark” plot. Guess what? People loved Wow ONLY because of dark and edginess, EVEN DESPITE THE FACT THAT THIS PLOT WAS STUPIDLY WRITTEN. (Also, why were people suprised at Jim being Hook? IT WAS FREAKING obvious!!)
I don’t want to sound weird or rude but the whole debate about S8 Enchantix lacked real discussion due to only “ORIGINAL ENCHANTIX!!!111” even despite original Enchantix ANNOYED ME with FAIRYDUST SCENES!! Just like the fact that Season 3 was about Valtor ONLY. When I watched Season 3 in 2007 for the first time, I was bored of him and I thought I won’t finish that season!
;/ i though he was sus but then changed my mind s3 is better than6 u gotta admit
@Tori, i agree that the season 8 Sirenix looks better than season 5’s especially since they actually look like flying fish now. However i think the reason we didn’t get an explanation? It’s Bloom’s wish working in effect still, but subtly. This is the uncursed version and it needed a boost of the Dragon Flame to do so. Enchantix? Well they never said that the old transformations were inaccessible, but the Believix coloration for everyone except Aisha seems weird. Especially since the Believix coloration is the default now (even nick showed a Believix color variation in their s3 opening why not use that one? Dark turquoise gives a dreamix and Butterflix sense). Though i really do think that Enchantix shouldn’t have been used until the season finale…or at least showed Roxy’s instead. I mean we never saw Roxy’s Enchantix and that would be nice. I mean isn’t everything except for Believix, Bloomix and Sirenix supposed to be Mission Select-the Enchantix edition?
Bringing back Enchantix was a bad idea to me anyway. I DON’T WANT ANY OLD FORMS BACK, even for a finale, let alone those stupid brooches and bags from S2 ?. I loved Flora and Bloom’s S8 Enchantix, but the ONLY good thing of returing of this was the Sirenix Redesign and Nex in Sirenix Arc. I don’t understand the hate for Sirenix S8, it looks amazing AND IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN SEASON5! I mean, remember how Flora and Faragonda claimed Sirenix as ancient and sea power? Sirenix S8 underlines it, and Sirenix S5 looks NOTHING like it.
Let’s be real, Daphne became human only because of “bringing back dead” trope which is really bad trope. because of it, death started to lose its meaning. Human Daphne doesn’t look outstanding from the Winx!
Also, once again, SIRENIX S8 should have been in S5 and the early Believix designs SHOULD HAVE BEEN OFFICIAL instead of “chearleeder Enchantix”, period.
I liked the season eight Sirenix forms way more than the season five ones. If those had been the designs in season five, I may have actually liked Sirenix. But in general, I didn’t like that they brought back old transformations. At the very least, I wanted an explanation for it, and we didn’t get one.
I won’t talk about Daphne again. I think most of you know how I feel about that situation.
Actually, frankly speaking… I am the fan who actually dislike Season 5- Season 7 for it’s plot being dumbed down for kids. I also think like wanting some relatable contents for the show itself like how some fans are. ( In other words, wanting WinX to be mature) While it is true that WinX was originally planned for 8-12 years old, I supposed adding some relevant real life plots combined with some cheerfulness is okay. Not too childlike like Season 5- Season 7. But, then again, don’t make the show too depressing and dark… I am turned off by shows like this.
I like WoW though. I wouldn’t say like this is how the WinX’s personalities should be like and all. I prefer how WoW was written well. As for Fate, I used to be excited about it when I heard about it. But, hearing some of the changes just broke down all of my excitement for Fate.
I probably commented on the CW Lewis opinions about maturity before. But, I will just say it again. I am the type also stuck on the mindset that being adult= not watching any childish shows. I mean… I don’t mind WinX club but wouldn’t watch it if the plot seemed too childish for my taste. However, I really do admired people who can owned their interests in such a thing despite being an adult.
Yeah, agreed. The WinX fandom have gotten toxic. I don’t see the need to bash others for liking the nick’s era of the show despite not liking it myself.
The problem with seasons 5-7 is good ideas, poor execution and an akward order in airing 5 & 7 too. Though that’s not a reason to hate them. If they were going to bring Daphne back, why did they do it in just 26 episodes? That should have been a new goal set for 78 episodes since Domino’s no longer an ice block and that should have been the third movie’s plot since bringing Daphne back would be a good finale (even if @Tori and some other fans aren’t crazy about the idea as she posted on the old blog). Rainbow or Nick should have spread the idea of Daphne returning out over three seasons and then do the movie. It would also flow more naturally if seasons 7 and 5 were aired in reverse with Nex and Riven not being present during season 7 as season 5, giving Musa and Aisha a chance to rest for a bit in the romance department. It also allows Roxy to slowly transition into mission control and go to Alfea. Also if season 5 as 7 happens that way, Roy would never be in that season because his story would be over after Aisha chose Nex. This order also shows the stakes getting higher the closer they get to restoring Daphne and we know that it’s serious because not even Bloomix could protect Bloom from the curse, then things go into the stars after the movie the way season 4 brought things down to Earth after Domino was restored. I mean bringing Valtor back, a space plot and a redesign of Sirenix and Enchantix pretty much sounds like “grand finale” to me.
Usually I dislike the “it didn’t age well!!!” thingy but I’ll make an exception and agree that older Winx seasons were not looking that great in animatio- oh wait, do I have to remind the people who were outraged about S8 artstyle, that Season 1-3 had derpy-looking moments, and that artstyles from season 1 to 4 CHANGED TOO? Just compare how Stella looked in very first episode, to season 3. Also Rainbow literally reused things at times, NOBODY can deny it.
By the way, I kept hearing that Winx had great values which I disagreed with. Yes, Winx had great values. But ALSO it had VEERY bad habits: had Riven and his bad habits of treating Musa and people, the whole BloomSkyDiaspro, and Nabu stalking Aisha with the telescope and their harlequin romances, AND this niusance about “fake Avalon”. ARE those great values? I DON’T THINK SO.
Let me make it clear that I’m not saying Winx Club is a terrible show. It’s just not as good when you look back at it than it seemed at the time. Plot holes and recons happened in the earlier seasons, too, and the animation, particularly in season one, wasn’t that great (but seasons two onward were improvements).
And of course, like you said, the characters made a lot of questionable decisions that fans overlook because it seemed romantic or whatnot. I’m not too uptight about that because we humans do stupid stuff all the time, and I’d rather see that represented honestly on-screen than have to watch characters acting unrealistically perfect. But some actions do send bad messages.
It’s not wrong to look back on something you loved and notice its flaws. I’m a huge Digimon fan. I love that franchise with all my heart. But I make fun of the animation in the first season sometimes, especially the ocean animation, which was just one or two blue planes slowly rising and falling with no waves. It looks so cheap. ?
Yep, Carmen Sandiego is getting a live-action film. The actress who voices her in the Netflix cartoon, Gina Rodriguez, is gonna play Carmen in the movie. I bet that means it’ll be based on the Netflix cartoon, not on the original games.
Winx Club was aimed at 8-12 year olds at the beginning. Honestly, it was about as “mature“ as most teen-drama-esque stuff back then, which isn’t saying much. It had more serious moments, and the stakes felt higher, but it always felt like a kids’ show because it was.
And can I say this without being criticized? The animation has not aged well. At all. I was watching some of season one yesterday for post research, and I kept thinking, “Did the characters’ faces always look this derpy?” Rainbow reused animation a lot, the movement looked jerky sometimes, some of the characters’ gestures were unnatural — it wasn’t a well-made show. ? It was fine for its time, but now it looks sloppy.
That’s just how the flow of time works. In twenty years, the stuff we have now will look like trash. (Some of it already does.)
Yeah, I’m not excited about Fate, either. I bet that when the show comes out, the fact that the actors don’t look that much like the characters will be a big issue, like Solar Crown said. The fandom is already complaining about it, after all.
Personally, I think the only one who looks good is Stella’s actress. Bloom’s is okay, but something in her face is off. Maybe it’s because she’s supposed to be way more angsty in this version, so I’m missing the…innocence, I guess, that she has in the cartoon.
The others are fair to bad. Even Aisha’s actress looks wrong to me. It seems like they decided not to give her curly hair, either. Fine, I guess…but hello! Dark-skinned girls with curly hair exist. I’ve seen lots of other actors who look way more like Aisha than Precious Mustafa does. Heck, I’ve been watching I Can See Your Voice, and some of the singers have looked more like Aisha!
You actually managed to pique my interest in the new Carmen Sandiego show. I dropped it after the first episodes. More specifically, I dropped as soon as Zack and Ivy were introduced as Carmen’s lackeys. They were two of ACME’s best agents in Where on Earth?, and now they work for Carmen? What the heck? I know they sometimes worked with her in Where on Earth?, but it just didn’t sit right with me.
Chase Devineux being a sexist idiot also ticked me off. Again, this guy was a top-notch ACME agent and one of Carmen’s partners in the original games. He functions as the Chief of ACME in most of his appearances. (I don’t remember what his actual title was.)
And now he’s a doofus who couldn’t catch a baby and picks on Jules — I’m sorry, “Julia” — all the time? (Does she ever go by “Jules” in this show?)
If it was all an act, I might be willing to forgive him. Still don’t like his attitude with Julia, though.
I don’t know. A lot of people have said the show is good, but Carmen Sandiego was my childhood. It’s one of my favorite franchises, and she’s one of my favorite fictional characters of all time. I just don’t know if I can accept this Robin-Hood-esque version of her.
Jules and Chase are both at ACME (or at least until the latest season for Jules and Chase has to go through an experience of not acting like a grunt cop, just don’t let him drive, Agent Zari is pretty much just the fill in agent for now), but things happen concerning why Carmen’s not there yet involving the Chief. Also Rita Moreno is one of the v.i.le. goons. Second that’s what a lot of new fans say, is treat this as it’s own thing that may eventually merge (or not). Also Maelstrom is still creepy.
Since this is supposed to be a prequel, it will probably get there eventually, including the fact that her employment roster has to be puns. I mean i would like to see Carmen school everyone at ACME (including working with Jules and Chase because Chase has to leave when Carmen does. I’ve always took that line in his bio to mean that they were dating, and Carmen dumped him unintentionally.) first before revamping V.I.L.E in this universe because we all know she’s going to do that at some point….and if player goes with her at that point (because there’s no way he’s staying at ACME. Shadowsan aka Suhara, Zack and Ivy? Sure.) and i already have his pun figured out.
…Huh. You know what? I never thought about the show like that. I knew it was a prequel, but the whole time, I’ve treated it as a story trying to override the existing canon (the post-KGB canon, of course).
But you’re right — Carmen could still end up at ACME, get bored, leave, and revamp (not found) VILE. Zack and Ivy could theoretically also become ACME agents, Jules (I’m still gonna call her that) has already joined ACME (right?), and if Chase isn’t as incompetent as he seems, maybe he’ll end up there, too. While Carmen is there, Jules and Chase could also still end up working with her at some point. ?
So minus Carmen founding VILE and already knowing Zack and Ivy, everything could still happen the way it did in the games and Where on Earth?
I hate you! I can’t believe you’ve almost convinced me in one day to give the Netflix cartoon another chance! ? (I don’t really hate you, of course.)
There actually were hints on Earth of Zack and Ivy working with Carmen since they would do so whenever there was a common enemy (like Maelstrom or Lee Jordan, even Saira Bellum once), so i was fine with them aiding Carmen, but i don’t like how they went about it, they gave Ivy more fact fuel (verified by encyclopedia britanica) in cultural knowledge than they did to Zack in addition to the brawn she’s known for. If anything Zack should have served as a translator since this Carmen could only speak English and Spanish and Player’s got the tech thing covered.
As for Carmen being a Robin Hood type? Well, she is supposed to be mysterious. The writer, Brian Cappizzi (who wrote The Batman, which is a very underrated Batman show) said that the difference between past Carmen entries and this one is that we’re seeing things from Carmen’s POV instead of Chief Fraser’s as we always saw it from Chief Fraser’s beforehand. The 2019 show also does it’s best to acknowledge past iterations in every possible way. So far the only thing they haven’t done yet is acknowledge the Time entries in the franchise, maybe they’ll acknowledge that if they reveal Player’s name…i mean Player does resemble one of the hosts so?
The episodes where Zack and Ivy worked with Carmen in Where on Earth? are some of my favorites, especially the Maelstrom arc. But one of the reasons I liked them is because of the tension it created. Throughout the whole show, she was their #1 target — ACME’s top priority — but they could never catch her. And yet in those episodes, she was right there next to them, and at any moment they could slap some handcuffs on her and be done with it. But they never did because they needed her, and they had this tenuous, unspoken trust between them.
“She’s helping us. We owe her one. But…she’s right there…but we can’t. Not yet.”
And of course, it was just interesting to see Carmen, the most famous crook in the world, working with detectives to catch crooks.
But all of that incongruent beauty is lost in the Netflix cartoon if she’s not a villainess anymore, and Zack and Ivy are her buddies.
Also, I forgot about them dumbing down Zack. That ticked me off, too. The guy could speak 14 languages in Where on Earth?, but the Netflix version of him seemed so dumb, even baby talk would be too hard for him. ?
I read the full description on Amazon, and you know which blurb bothered me the most? Musa’s.
“Musa is an introvert who keeps to herself so her mind isn’t overwhelmed by the emotions of those around her.”
…I have complaints.
First of all, let’s talk about the “introvert” thing. Musa definitely has had times where she’s had to withdraw from others and just be with her music. But she also loves to hang out with her friends and be understood by them. I’d probably describe her as an ambivert – with aspects of both intro- and extroverts.
What I always liked about Musa is that she goes through upbeat phases and more melancholy ones – y’know, like a real person. But she’s still the same person throughout them. And it’s fitting since she’s the Fairy of Music – music can make you feel those emotions and fifty billion more in-between. Musa has moments of angst, and other times when she just wants to go dance with her friends. To me, it always made her feel more real than some of the other Winx.
However, I think the Fate writers heard that she was the Fairy of Music and has angsty moments, and went “let’s make her an emo kid!!!!” Seriously, that’s what this sounds like. If she shows up wearing all black, thick eyeliner, and listening to Panic! at the Disco, I will not be surprised.
The bit about being overwhelmed by others’ emotions raises questions. Maybe this is just me, but when I read that, it sounded like a stereotypical setup for a character who is on the autism spectrum. (Not understanding others’ emotions, withdrawing, feeling like an outcast, etc). Honestly, I would be fine with having autistic representation in Winx – I just don’t know if Musa would be the best character for that. She’s a little too much the everygirl – which isn’t to say that autistic people can’t act “normal”, but having autism does makes you view the world a little differently. Musa seems a little too average in her worldview to really sell that as a character trait. However, I myself am not on the autism spectrum, nor have I studied it much. So if there’s anyone who knows more about this and would like to correct me on possible misconceptions, please feel free to do so.
In any case, even if I was making a massive assumption in thinking this might be an autism plot line, that character description STILL does not fit Musa at all. The thing is, music is so often used as a tool to express deep and powerful emotions, and to make the listener feel them as well. I myself love music, and may be going into it professionally, and all I can say is that you HAVE to be able to handle strong emotions in order to fully appreciate music. In Winx, Musa has never shown an issue with this. In fact, I’d say she’s probably one of the more emotionally aware Winx (except when it comes to Riven, but all good rules of screenwriting get thrown out the window when he’s around). She sometimes has issues sorting out her own emotions, and in season 1 she suppresses them a bit to seem like a “tomboy”, but she seems to understand other people’s very well. It’s because you HAVE to be empathetic to properly enjoy music. I’m sorry if that’s a hot take, but music is something I’m passionate about, and that’s my stance on it.
Now, the idea of someone afraid to feel strong emotions being the Fairy of Music isn’t actually a bad idea for an arc??? But – it’s not Musa. It just isn’t. I’m honestly surprised that they decided to mangle her like this – you’d think her dead mom angst and her drama with Riven would be able to provide them at least five episodes’ worth of drama without having to change anything. I actually do think this could be an interesting arc for a character – maybe Fate!Musa became afraid of strong emotions after her mother’s death, and she has to learn to open up again. It’s not bad – but it’s not Musa.
Sorry to intrude, I agree with everything you said apart from what you said about the writers throwing out her emotional awareness when it comes to Riven. The problem is bad communication; Riven is emotionally distant, even though he loves Musa he appears apaethic to her. She knows how he feels deep down but his reluctance to open up frustrates and stresses her, which causes her to become snappy and passive aggressive and Riven isn’t exactly the best at reading people.
It’s Musa.. It’s just not OUR Musa.
Musa was never an Emo Kid on screen… and till the day, is the only real complain I might have on Fate, really, she was this perfect girl whoshowed us that music is not about fighting over styles, that werng hiphop looks to a school presentacion where you actually sing a ballad is ok; that you can be into rock and still have pink dresses, or that one can be the best singer and still not being the main singer of the band in favor of MissUniverse and still be Ok and have fun!!
Writters were mislead into that description perhaps for the episode when she was teased by Stella to death and ran into a witchy persecution, they missed something… Musa is the tomboy, not Layla, and Musa liked to be seen as someone strong, she disliked being open, and she was only open with the ones she trust the most (Name Riven, Tecna and Layla), to think such a strong character who can pass away the only sirenix wish that could return the death from the grave (twice by now considering the laberint season 3 arc) and being emphatetic with complete jerks as Riven without letting herself be treated as junk (as much of the toxic relationships thend to be) just assomeone affraid of exploring the wildness of live is.. depresing yet not unseen.
I won’t say details on how my father let himself convinced into a scam of prototype school “for all” when I was 8 but I pretty much met lots of autistic kidz with no proper treatment, they tend to repeat the same mistakes all over and over again and never learn, they need a compassionate aproach, otherwise it won’t work, and of course, they need patience into making them learn something and be treated as equals, not jus as somekind freak to avoid… gladdly that school changed names and owner but yeah, it’s all about tolerance and soft maners and then one might not even recognise them as someone different from the averague.
Then just some years ago, the child of a relative that ussed to live far and moved near where I am was diagnosticed with some grade of autism that affects the short memory so the child can’t propperly learn written comunication and might speak with certain level of dislexia; He’s pretty averague in terms of playfullness and comunicating with others and as far as it can go.. the autistic people I had met in my life (including adults) are pretty lighthearted, some might get vicious as a 5 year old child when thinks won’t work and they might not be the best at crushes (Yes, They might be in the bortherline between nerdly romance and Winx Frankenstein of season 6) ..yet being as Flora is the best way having them out of the introversion, so overall is just as hanging around a genious 6 year old or so.
Some tips I can give being Winx wise:
– They ain’t that emo but slowthinkers
– They awkward time to time when with strangers
– Never treat them with a Rivenish actitude
– Being rude as Amaryl will make them angry or secluded
– Do need a firm aproach if misbehaving but not rude at all as with the fairy animals
– Overall.. Act as Flora would act with persons (or as Roxy with someone in need
So.. no, that Musa description doem’t fit autism at all, but it does fit anxiety disorders and a traumatic view on society, it might make more sense if with a terrible background but as far the template nosense description was made it just fits into the Fluttershy mlp character than to Musa.
After saying this I will make a crossover comparation based on the book description:
Bloom =Sunset Shimmer
Musa = Fluttershy
Terra = AppleJack
Stella = Rarity
Aisha = Rainbow Dash
So .. I think I might be able to live with the multiverse adaptations of Winx as long as they keep being in a multiverse, save from the moral disonance of WoW that I knida hope it melts into the plotholes of canon (like the second movie with certain death character alive and a Roxy nowhere to be found) in order to break for good the BloomxSky as only option and the “Bloom is always right” troope even if they made my favourite Tecna with princess Aisha in bad mod the comic relief.. it might actually work if incerted before season 6 as Aisha was indeed moving forward from all what has happened in season 5&4 (like having a psyco relative messing with the oceans might get mayor political preasures to the crown of Andros and having parents pushing towards relationships with random guys as if she lived on tinder after a loss that breaked her mod in the season 4 finalle will actually not help againts frustration outbreaks). It’s not the firs time changing from adaptation a to b makes mayor twist plots (talking about growing with 4Kidz maybe?) as when Nick specials got charmix out the lore, and charmix being out the lore, Aisha’s ark was affected to, as we don’t see her loneliness struggles, only the brave athelte VS Darkar saving pixies, and that Nickbow facet we might be getting in Fate.
For the record: Real Life adaptations ain’t necesary Adult leveled, that I say as in chinesse drama, series often end having an adaptation from lightnovels or animations, and they often are light teamed even when the are supossed to be edgier.. in fact, sometimes the animation ends being the edgier version of the life adaptation even when the live drama was filmed latter and with the intension of being the darker counterpart.
So, lets ignore that Netflix sells darkness cosplays and Bloom being a more mature dramma queen version of herself, Andros likely being in the bahamas and not monarchical country, the no Tecna till season 2 and it being in the same universe where the Sam Raimi’s spiderman universe is still canon untill we have a shot of this Alfea.. and perhaps wait a Mia&Me crossover or whatsoever, spin-offs by Rainbow tend to dissolve in thin air after 2 years.
There is a tie-in novel? Wow, wasn’t aware of it. Probably going to buy it if I’m able to get it.
As for the live-action; let’s just find out. Maybe it’s like Star Trek Discovery (overall disappointing but still having some nice moments and episodes). Maybe it’ll be like Picard (some drastic changes but all in all a good show). One can never know. Who knows, maybe all of this will lead into a reboot in the next decade, a multiverse Winx …the possibilities are endless as long as we’re still alive.
And even if it all falls down, at the very least Winx got the spotlight once more. That’s all we could ask for in a world filled with millions of TV shows, movies, games and whatnot. One last breath from a dying franchise? Maybe, maybe not. Time will tell.
All in all, nothing really matters in the grand scheme of things. The world will still keep on rotating for another 3 million years or so.
He did that? Then this Brian Young has obviously not been paying attention to Winx Club at all.
Not liking the cartoon… why even hire for the job then? That’s illogical on his part. I don’t adapt something if I don’t like the source material. So is he doing the job only for the money? I hope we don’t have another Star Trek Nemesis situation on our hands now (Nemesis was a movie helmed by somebody who had never seen Trek before…needless to say, Nemesis wasn’t good).
The other thing is calling it “Disney”. Disney has never had anything to do with Winx, quite the contrary, actually. And of course Winx isn’t realistic, it’s a fantasy show. Didn’t Young know that when he signed up for the director’s chair?
I thought he knew what he was doing. Oh geez. That’s quite a turn now. ?
Yeah, I’m not against change either. If the change makes sense. Well, in one month we can be absolutely certain about the whole deal.
The “too Disney” comment is especially hilarious because Winx Club inspired Disney to make their own fairy franchise. Yeah, that’s right. Disney’s Fairies exists because of Winx Club. But Fate: The Winx Saga looks so unoriginal, I doubt it’ll inspire anyone.
“Disney’s Fairies exists because of Winx Club.”
Nice. I didn’t know that. At least something Winx can brag about. ?
Won’t be here for the next 2 weeks, so Happy New Year and a Merry Christmas to you. Let’s hope 2021 will be under the sign of the Winx. ✌?
I don’t know. I don’t see this being good for Winx because it’s too different from it, especially from what’s airing right now. Also, apparently, the showrunner doesn’t even like the cartoon! He called it “too Disney and unrealistic”. So he thinks he’s fixing it with these extreme changes. That’s not a good mentality to have when you’re adapting a series, especially if you want the fans to love what you come up with.
You know me. I’m not against changes and differences, but to me, this is overkill. It’s so different, you can barely call it “Winx” at all.
It looks like this version would be ill-fated, lol. This is a mess from concept to airing and even the multiverse reasoning is not convincing the wilder fans to calm down. As for fashion? Stella needs to have a word with wardrobe…and they better have their shades….and we’ll leave it at that.
I think a lot of us could make a better reboot than this. About the only good thing I see is that Aisha will be included in season 1 plots. Good Idea, the bad idea? Is this Chilling Adventures of Sabrina 2.0?
I’ve tried a few times to go back to the earliest fairytales for a Winx relaunch ever since s6 pulled out all the stops, but as you know, it’s now abandoned. My initial idea was something concerning Acheron writing his story that would eventually lead into the main series, but i never said who he got the book from, it was intended to be an analog of a famous author of fairytales, but I never said which one (although the author i was thinking about usually winds up making a splash whenever Disney’s at a low point, and the Frozen joke has been turned into a llama by now). An alternative idea was that the Mythix wands once belonged to several groups of friends named after the famous fairytale authors until they got to the Winx (and in my story Roxy had the 7th wand modified to those colors and butterflied since Eldora never even used it.) and the series began. Aisha of course would have had a strong pre-series connection to Bloom and been included in season 1 events. Daphne’s curse being broken would have been the finale, which would have also had a marriage in the main group during the season 5 (as 7) events…but it wouldn’t be Bloom and Sky. Rather it would have been Tecna and Timmy since they’re the only ones ready for it aside from maybe Aisha and Nex and the corny couple of Flora and Helia…and at the end of the events of mystery of the abyss (without all that useless filler that didn’t need to be there), Tecna would have been expecting and then her baby would be born after a flash foward.
It’s absolutely Chilling Adventures of Sabrina 2.0. The writers aren’t even being coy about it. They keep comparing the two. So this show isn’t even trying to be like Winx Club; it’s trying to be like an unrelated show with a different vibe.
I get that it’s not canon, but I’m worried about two things: 1) how it’ll affect the perception of the cartoon characters (especially for new fans); and 2) what people will think of the original show when they compare it to Fate: The Winx Saga. The second problem is already happening, but right now, it’s limited to fans saying, “This isn’t like Winx at all!” But what about the Winx haters? They think Winx is stupid and childish, so a darker version of it will look cheesy to them. It’s like if someone made a darker and edgier Barney & Friends. (I hope you get what I mean.)
Plus, Rainbow is aiming this at the older fans of Winx Club, but we’re not the most important audience. I know the Winx fandom doesn’t understand that, but it’s true. We should have moved on years ago. I’m not saying the show should have become more kid-friendly, but even if it had stayed the way it was, most of us probably would have outgrown it by now. I think part of the lingering attachment to it is the false hope that it’ll go back to the way it was.
The fans who are still around the target age matter more than we do. Also, some of the older fans are parents who’d rather share the cartoon with their kids than watch a version tailored to them. So Rainbow isn’t thinking about this the right way. They’re letting a vocal minority getting inside their heads.
An edgy Barney? There’s an idea, lol. Mattel was actually planning on bringing the hugasaurus rex back sometime next year. Though i think Mattel would keep it the same as it was years ago which is how winx should be occasionally explore something serious, but don’t overdo it and don’t overdo it on the sugar side of things either.
So for Musa’s background it’s because she’s the Fairy of Mind not the Fairy of Music which is ok I guess?(for me anyways)
Terra has a cousin named Flora and her dad is Fate’s version of Palladium minus being an Elf.
Riven is bi and Dane might be his love interest?
Musa and a new character named Sam
Silva is supposed to be Codatorta and Avalon amalgamed together
Bloom x Sky might be interesting this time
As for Precious Mustapha not looking like Aisha. I actually have always wanted to see Aisha with different black girl hairstyles so I’m fine with it and we don’t know if Aisha isn’t the Princess of Andros since we haven’t seen all the kingdoms on the Globe. Just because it says she’s an athlete doesn’t mean we know the full story behind her character. Also it’s a lot better than what the fancasts are or how they want someone lighter for Aisha.
I think Precious Mustapha is a great actress to play a character I related to so much as a child both as an African American teen and a closeted gay.
Well, enjoy. I’m not watching a single episode of this show, and I suspect it won’t last that long.
As for Aisha, I hate that the fandom is so fixated on her skin tone that their mentality is “any dark-skinned actress will do”. Also, Winx Club is Italian. Aisha was never meant to look African-American in the first place, so why does she have to match our standards?
Precious Mustapha looks nothing like Aisha. I wish Netflix had tried harder. Honestly, I think they picked her because she had gained some fame on the platform recently.
But like I said, Fate: The Winx Saga probably won’t last long, anyway.
I’m actually surprised that Stella’s actress didn’t give wardrobe a sunburn for that fashion, we all know animated Stella wouldn’t dare let the Winx salj out wearing clothing that makes them look old. That’s been roasted enough to end Fate before it starts. Again I agree with you, Fate is a trainwreck.
*walk out. Silly autocorrect.
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